Comments on: “be cool, you guys” revisited: on identity theft and ignorant behavior http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/2010/09/02/be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior notes toward resistance Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:10:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jenna McWilliams http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/2010/09/02/be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior/#comment-665 Jenna McWilliams Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:27:50 +0000 http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/?p=1175#comment-665 @Melissa, Thanks for your comment. I've mentioned in private conversations, though not publicly on this blog, that I've changed my mind about the vituperation I've seen from time to time on Tiger Beatdown. Even if I find it soothing to my ladyrage from time to time, I end up feeling that it's neither productive nor useful. It's hard, I think, to issue a public mea culpa when you've said something publicly that turned out to be wrong. It's hard to approach our relationships with others--even others we've only known online--in a respectful and nuanced way. It's easy to forget that there's a person attached to everything we see, and this is one reason people behave so differently toward others online than they would ever dare in person. And vice versa, of course. @Melissa,
Thanks for your comment. I’ve mentioned in private conversations, though not publicly on this blog, that I’ve changed my mind about the vituperation I’ve seen from time to time on Tiger Beatdown. Even if I find it soothing to my ladyrage from time to time, I end up feeling that it’s neither productive nor useful.

It’s hard, I think, to issue a public mea culpa when you’ve said something publicly that turned out to be wrong. It’s hard to approach our relationships with others–even others we’ve only known online–in a respectful and nuanced way. It’s easy to forget that there’s a person attached to everything we see, and this is one reason people behave so differently toward others online than they would ever dare in person. And vice versa, of course.

]]> By: Melissa http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/2010/09/02/be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior/#comment-664 Melissa Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:17:56 +0000 http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/?p=1175#comment-664 The behavior of this blogger confuses me...specifically towards the real laura. The griefing the griefer I think is maybe okay. Or at least I want to know why it's okay for awesome Tiger Beatdown lady to grief her griefer but not this one. I do understand that it's probably because this particular blogger maybe took it too far--was unwilling to acknowledge that the real laura didn't need to be thought of as a racist. I wonder if this touches upon the idea of people wanting to see the worst in people. If so, the American Idiot, as this blogger referenced, will never have a chance to redeem themselves because those who have defined the term don't actually want to see these individuals change. For instance, maybe I don't like someone. Maybe I like to complain about them. What happens when that person starts to change their behavior? It's hard to stop complaining about that person because of the penchant for negativity--the ease of status quo. Anyhow, fake racist Laura was easy to grief--enjoyable to grief, actually. Stands could be made. But then we realize it was all a sham. It's hard, I suppose, to say, oh, well, nevermind, real laura, you're okay. Maybe. The behavior of this blogger confuses me…specifically towards the real laura. The griefing the griefer I think is maybe okay. Or at least I want to know why it’s okay for awesome Tiger Beatdown lady to grief her griefer but not this one. I do understand that it’s probably because this particular blogger maybe took it too far–was unwilling to acknowledge that the real laura didn’t need to be thought of as a racist.

I wonder if this touches upon the idea of people wanting to see the worst in people. If so, the American Idiot, as this blogger referenced, will never have a chance to redeem themselves because those who have defined the term don’t actually want to see these individuals change.

For instance, maybe I don’t like someone. Maybe I like to complain about them. What happens when that person starts to change their behavior? It’s hard to stop complaining about that person because of the penchant for negativity–the ease of status quo.

Anyhow, fake racist Laura was easy to grief–enjoyable to grief, actually. Stands could be made. But then we realize it was all a sham. It’s hard, I suppose, to say, oh, well, nevermind, real laura, you’re okay.

Maybe.

]]> By: Brian http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/2010/09/02/be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior/#comment-663 Brian Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:54:14 +0000 http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/?p=1175#comment-663 It's possible the blog owner thinks it's some new attempt at trolling. I mean, giving them the evidence and the ability to draw the right conclusion is all that can be done on your end, really. However, if your sister happens to know the troll's IP (from back when she had to ban them), it's possible to figure out what ISP they use and report them. I can't imagine impersonation is within their T&C. Here's how someone else went about it (in case you've never tried to report someone before): http://www.managingcommunities.com/2008/01/29/when-to-report-someone-to-their-isp/ It’s possible the blog owner thinks it’s some new attempt at trolling. I mean, giving them the evidence and the ability to draw the right conclusion is all that can be done on your end, really.

However, if your sister happens to know the troll’s IP (from back when she had to ban them), it’s possible to figure out what ISP they use and report them. I can’t imagine impersonation is within their T&C. Here’s how someone else went about it (in case you’ve never tried to report someone before):

http://www.managingcommunities.com/2008/01/29/when-to-report-someone-to-their-isp/

]]> By: Jenna McWilliams http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/2010/09/02/be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior/#comment-662 Jenna McWilliams Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:45:26 +0000 http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/?p=1175#comment-662 That's good advice, Brian--except I don't think the owner of the blog is interested in knowing the truth. If she were, she would have responded to my sister's email, twitter DM, or comments to her blog. That’s good advice, Brian–except I don’t think the owner of the blog is interested in knowing the truth. If she were, she would have responded to my sister’s email, twitter DM, or comments to her blog.

]]> By: Brian http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/2010/09/02/be-cool-you-guys-revisited-on-identity-theft-and-ignorant-behavior/#comment-661 Brian Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:40:34 +0000 http://www.jennamcwilliams.com/?p=1175#comment-661 Hey so, if the blog owner still doesn't believe you, your sister could send over her IP address and ask the owner to compare it to the IP address of the sockpuppeteer. If they (the blog owner) are at all reasonable, they should accept the differing IP addresses as proof. I mean, that's the common standard for proving you've been impersonated online, after all. Good luck! Hey so, if the blog owner still doesn’t believe you, your sister could send over her IP address and ask the owner to compare it to the IP address of the sockpuppeteer. If they (the blog owner) are at all reasonable, they should accept the differing IP addresses as proof. I mean, that’s the common standard for proving you’ve been impersonated online, after all.

Good luck!

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